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Forum Name: College math
Topic ID: 296
#0, Mathematical Induction and powers
Posted by math_freak on Sep-13-02 at 05:41 AM
Hi,

I have to prove by MI that,x^5-1 is a multiple of 5.
My analysis is as follows:

1.If some no say x has to be a muliple of 5, then x/5 = n where n=1,2,3 etc.
2.In the prob above mentioned. while following the first step of MI,and substituing x with 1,we get the answer as 0.
Now,0 cannot be effectively called a "multiple" of 5.

Please send in suggestions tht wud help me in analysing ths problem.
Thanks.


#1, RE: Mathematical Induction and pow
Posted by Daniel on Sep-13-02 at 08:44 AM
In response to message #0
0 IS a multiple of 5, but what are the conditions on x? If x is a multiple of 5 then obviously x^5-1 can't be a multiple of 5 too, and the Fundamental Theorem of Number Theory states that if something is false, then it is impossible to prove it, even by induction

#3, RE: Mathematical Induction and pow
Posted by bluediamond on Sep-13-02 at 09:12 PM
In response to message #1
Just wondering, what is the fundamental theorem of number theory that you mention?

#2, Mathematical Induction and powers
Posted by Venu on Sep-13-02 at 01:19 PM
In response to message #0
Yeah! You need to put a condition on the values X can take.Else the statement cannot be proved!

#4, RE: Mathematical Induction
Posted by Soroban on Sep-16-02 at 06:12 PM
In response to message #0
>I have to prove by MI that, x^5 - 1 is a multiple of 5.

Sorry, but it fails at x = 2.
Is there a typo?

>My analysis is as follows:
>
>1.If some no say x has to be a muliple of 5, then x/5 = n
>where n=1,2,3 etc.

No, (x^5 - 1) is a multiple of 5, not x.

>2. In the prob above mentioned, while following the first
>step of MI,and substituting x with 1,we get the answer as 0.
>Now, 0 cannot be effectively called a "multiple" of 5.

But 0 is a multiple of 5.

Consider: "Is 18 a multiple of 6?"
Yes, because 18/6 = 3. That is, 18 is divisible by 6 with remainder 0.
Try that with "Is 0 a multiple of 5?"

Alternate approach: "Is 18 a multiple of 6?"
Yes, because 18 = 6k, for some integer k (namely, 3).
Is 0 = 5k for some integer k?